Friday, March 5

Found It, 2


With thanks to Jane on UpasikaTalk, another sutta stating the attainments of monastics & laypeople is MN 73, Mahavacchagotta Sutta, the Greater Discourse to Vacchagotta. This one is even better, as it doesn't mention anything to do with the attainment occuring at the time of death. So this is the one to use, I think.

"Apart from Master Gotama and the bhikkhus and bhikkhunis, is there any one man lay follower, Master Gotama's disciple, clothed in white leading a life of celibacy who, with the destruction of the five lower fetters, will reappear spontaneously [in the Pure Abodes] and there attain final Nibbana without ever returning from that world?"

"There are not only one hundred... or five hundred, but far more men [and women] lay followers, my disciples, clothed in white leading lives of celibacy who, with the destruction of the five lower fetters, will reappear spontaneously [in the Pure Abodes] and there attain final Nibbana without ever returning from that world."

"Apart from Master Gotama, the bhikkhus and bhikkhunis, and the men lay followers clothed in white leading lives of celibacy, is there any one man lay follower, Master Gotama's disciple, clothed in white enjoying sensual pleasures, who carries out his instruction, repsond to his advice, has gone beyond doubt, become free from perplexity, gained intrepidity, and become independent of others in the teachers dispensation?" [note: refers to stream-enterers and once-returners]

"There are not only one hundred ... or five hundred, but far more men [and women] lay followers, my disciples, clothed in white enjoying sensual pleasures, who carry out my instruction, respond to my advice, have gone beyond doubt, become free from perplexity, gained intrepidity, and beome independent of others in the Teacher's Dispensation."

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